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		<title>By: Illusive Mind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Illusive Mind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 May 2005 07:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes tautologies can&#039;t be disproved because they prove nothing.

You could always argue against having the existence of tautologies though, however successful you may be!

I don&#039;t think a counterargument that proves both x and ~x is a paradox but a contradiction. And I don&#039;t think such lousy counterarguments prove anything about the argument they are attempting to defeat (i.e. that they are invincible) they are just lousy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes tautologies can&#8217;t be disproved because they prove nothing.</p>
<p>You could always argue against having the existence of tautologies though, however successful you may be!</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think a counterargument that proves both x and ~x is a paradox but a contradiction. And I don&#8217;t think such lousy counterarguments prove anything about the argument they are attempting to defeat (i.e. that they are invincible) they are just lousy.</p>
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		<title>By: MelbournePhilosopher</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2005 09:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Presumably, tautologies can&#039;t be argued against.

As for making an argument which claims itself to be useless, what you have is a paradox not an invincible idea. 

Let me propose X to be an invincible argument. Let&#039;s say that Y is a counter-argument to X, but that in making that counter argument, Y also proves X. You are left simply with Y -&gt; X and Y -&gt; ~X. 

You are then left with the choice of renouncing Y, renouncing one of the rules Y -&gt; X or Y -&gt; ~X, or joining the dialetheists over coffee and not coffee.

Cheers,
-MP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Presumably, tautologies can&#8217;t be argued against.</p>
<p>As for making an argument which claims itself to be useless, what you have is a paradox not an invincible idea. </p>
<p>Let me propose X to be an invincible argument. Let&#8217;s say that Y is a counter-argument to X, but that in making that counter argument, Y also proves X. You are left simply with Y -&gt; X and Y -&gt; ~X. </p>
<p>You are then left with the choice of renouncing Y, renouncing one of the rules Y -&gt; X or Y -&gt; ~X, or joining the dialetheists over coffee and not coffee.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
-MP</p>
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